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# How RFK Jr. is Actually Making America SICK Again, w/ Conspirituality Podcast’s Derek Beres
- URL: https://fightingmatters.com/how-rfk-jr-is-actually-making-america-sick-again-w-conspirituality-podcasts-derek-beres/
- Published: 2025-09-09T12:15:06.000Z
- Updated: 2026-10-12T05:17:08.000Z
- Description: In this episode of Fighting Matters, hosts Stephan Kesting and Steve Kwan talk to Derek Beres, a health and science journalist and co-host of the Conspirituality podcast.
- Author: Fighting Matters
- Tags: Podcast, Video, Health & Science, US Politics

In this episode of Fighting Matters, hosts Stephan Kesting and Steve Kwan talk to Derek Beres, a health and science journalist and co-host of the Conspirituality podcast.   
  
Together they explore the role of RFK Jr and the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) movement's role in promoting conspiracy thinking, inaccurate health narratives, and spreading of misinformation about vaccines. Stephan, Steve and Derek examine the historical roots of the anti-vax movement, the role of individualism in health conspiracies, and the influence of wellness culture on public health. They discuss the challenges of misinformation, the financial motivations behind health narratives, and the need for systemic change in health policy.   
  
[00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcG8XG3%5FdgA&ref=fightingmatters.com) The Intersection of Conspiracy and Wellness Culture  
[06:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcG8XG3%5FdgA&t=364s&ref=fightingmatters.com) The Deep Historical Roots of the Anti-Vax Movements  
[08:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcG8XG3%5FdgA&t=530s&ref=fightingmatters.com) COVID Denialism and Its Roots  
[11:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcG8XG3%5FdgA&t=700s&ref=fightingmatters.com) The Role of Individualism in Health Beliefs  
[14:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcG8XG3%5FdgA&t=887s&ref=fightingmatters.com) How MAHA Has Dismantled Health Tracking Data  
[17:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcG8XG3%5FdgA&t=1060s&ref=fightingmatters.com) Data Integrity and COVID Death Counts  
[23:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcG8XG3%5FdgA&t=1417s&ref=fightingmatters.com) Why RFK's approach Is a Disaster for People Who Aren't Rich  
[26:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcG8XG3%5FdgA&t=1602s&ref=fightingmatters.com) The Profit Motive in Wellness  
[37:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcG8XG3%5FdgA&t=2277s&ref=fightingmatters.com) The Ethics of Supplement Marketing  
[41:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcG8XG3%5FdgA&t=2494s&ref=fightingmatters.com) The Dangers of Misinformation in Health  
[45:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcG8XG3%5FdgA&t=2746s&ref=fightingmatters.com) Contradictions in MAHA and MAGA Public Health Messaging  
[51:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcG8XG3%5FdgA&t=3114s&ref=fightingmatters.com) The Role of Personal Responsibility in Health  
[56:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcG8XG3%5FdgA&t=3380s&ref=fightingmatters.com) The Impact of Wellness Influencers  
[01:01:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcG8XG3%5FdgA&t=3682s&ref=fightingmatters.com) The Appeal of Common Sense Solutions  
[01:03:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcG8XG3%5FdgA&t=3835s&ref=fightingmatters.com) The Challenge of Misinformation  
  
Follow the Conspirituality Podcast on all channels or go to [https://www.conspirituality.net](https://www.conspirituality.net/?ref=fightingmatters.com)  
  
Keep up with Derek's analyses of the situation at [https://www.derekberes.com](https://www.derekberes.com/?ref=fightingmatters.com) or at [https://bsky.app/profile/derekberes.bsky.social](https://bsky.app/profile/derekberes.bsky.social?ref=fightingmatters.com)